I have noticed, many of you like to read what is in the Religion Forum... So, I offer this....

GOD IS ONE, NOT THREE   Written By-- Anthony Buzzard--Atlanta Bible College

taken from http://www.mindspring.com/~anthonybuzzard/articles.htm

According to Jesus...

According to Jesus, God is strictly one Person, not three. Christians who value Jesus as the

supreme revealer of truth should consider his classic words, uttered in a final prayer. "You,

Father, are the only one who is truly God" (John 17:3). He defined salvation as belief in that One

and only true God, and in himself as the Messiah (John 17:3).

It is a serious hijacking of the words of Jesus if one adds to Jesus' creed. For Jesus, his Father is

"the one who alone is truly God, the only one who is truly God, the one true God" (see also John

5:44 and Mark 12:29).

Those utterances are more than clear. They are without a hint of ambiguity. Yet they have been

abandoned by the church bearing the name of Jesus. The church has for centuries, since postbiblical

times, defined God as three Persons. Jesus defined God as one Person, the Father. There

is a very great difference. That difference calls for extensive rethinking and reform. We cannot

risk fragmenting God. Jesus believed and taught strict unitary monotheism. He had never heard

of the Trinity - or if he had he rejected it. So should his followers.

Centuries later, after church councils had invented iron-clad creeds and imposed them on the

faithful, Augustine came face to face with Jesus' definition of God as the "only one who is truly

God." What was he to do? The church by then had lost Jesus' creed. It propagated everywhere

belief that God was three Persons. That innocent sentence in John 17:3 stated that God was a

single Person, not three Persons. Here is Augustine's "solution." He wrote: "The proper order of

the words is 'that they may know You and Jesus Christ, the only true God'" (Homilies on John).

One can have the words of Jesus on this great issue, or the words of the post-biblical creeds. It is

hard to see how one can have both at the same time. Following Jesus means believing his

teachings. Jesus' teaching about how many Persons are the One God is really not difficult: "You,

Father, are the only true God." Jesus is the Lord Messiah (Luke 2:11; Ps. 110:1), the Son of God

(Matt. 16:16), but not the One True God. The word "one" should be clear to all.

If anyone has any question about this, let him consult the thousands upon thousands of singular

personal pronouns used for God in the Bible. "I," "Me," "Mine," "Myself," "Thee," "Thy,"

"Thine," "Thyself," "He," "Him," "His," "Himself." All these words, as well as God's proper

name Yahweh followed by singular verbs (6700 times), ought to convince the open-minded that

God is one Person, not more. And monotheism - belief that God is one - is, according to Jesus, of

critical importance (Mark 12:29).

Jesus, the Son of God, is the perfect human reflection of the One God, his Father. But he is not

God. He is the sinless second Adam and the "prophet to be raised up from the house of Israel"

(Deut. 18:15-18). Created and begotten in the womb of his mother under the power of God's

spirit, he is designated "Son of God" (Luke 1:35). The idea that he is "eternally begotten" not

only has no recognizable meaning in language, but it is false to Scripture. "Eternal generation"

contradicts the important biblical fact that the Son of God was begotten "today," not in eternity

(Ps. 2:7; cp. Acts 13:33, referring in the latter text to the birth of Jesus.

That is an interesting essay you have there, but if you are to believe the entire Bible, Old and New Teataments including the words of Jesus himself, you will see that what the author is saying is false.

When an angel appears to Joseph in a dream in Matthew 1:23 it says "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

In Isaiah 9:6 the prophet Isaiah prophecies about the coming Messiah "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.  Then in the book of John we see Jesus talking to the Samaratin woman by the well.  “The woman said, ‘I know that Messiah’ (called Christ) ‘is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.’ Then Jesus declared, ‘I who speak to you am he.” John 4: 25-26

John 14:5-9:  5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"

 6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know^[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

 8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

 9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

John 10:30 "I and my father are one."

If you want a ton of other examples you can click this link.

I have been searching for a article that would clearly articulate for us the common reader (we who are not theologians), but laypersons, the scriptural point of view about the biblical Jesus, who was a Monotheist, and truely the SON OF MAN... This piece that I have entered here, had no author listed to give credit to, so don't accuse me of plagarism... I thank whoever the scholar was that did write it however, as it is so very easy to understand... Do not be affraid to question what men are teaching you, when you read the Bible, remember, Jesus was a Jew, not Greek, not Roman, or any other nationality, HE was a Jew, and thought like a Jew, lived like a Jew, His family linage was Hebrew (the house of David)... The ancient Jews were monotheistic, NOT polytheistic... We need to always base our discernment on what Christ believed, taught, and how He taught us to worship and pray, not on what mans, developed doctrine and dogma say we should do... So I offer this writing below... Here are some links to other areas that are historical and theological, for you to read if you wish..   You can also GOOGLE more info if you wish....                                  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sdcuk/history.htm

The True Scriptural Picture

The first scriptural principle to be considered, when approaching the matter from a scriptural point

of view, is the ONENESS OF GOD. God is constantly, repeatedly, and emphatically stated to be ONE,

never three.

There is never a word anywhere in the Bible from beginning to end about such Greek metaphysics

as "Three persons in the Godhead" or any such language.

When asked, "Which is the FIRST COMMANDMENT OF ALL?", Jesus answered (Mark 12:29),

"The FIRST of ALL the commandments is, Hear, O Israel, THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD."

And so we find throughout the Scriptures

"Beside Me there is no God" (Isa. 44:6).

"I am God, and there is none else; there is no God beside Me" (Isa. 45:5).

"I am God, and there is none else" (Isa. 46:9).

"ONE GOD and Father of ALL, Who is above ALL." (Eph. 4:6).

"Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is ONE LORD" (Deut. 6.4).

Why is not the simple scriptural picture sufficient? Why is it necessary to go the "Greek

metaphysics" to find that the above Scriptures are all very misleading and actually there are three

Gods?

To make Greek metaphysics and Bible testimony agree, it is said that there are "Three Gods in

one." But for those who desire to be guided by the Word of God, the Bible clearly refutes this

compromise. It very clearly distinguishes Jesus Christ, the Son of God, from the One Eternal God of

Whom the above quotations speak. This is very important, and is fatal to Greek metaphysics.

"There is ONE GOD, AND one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus" (1

Tim. 2:5).

"There is but ONE GOD, the Father, of Whom are all things, AND one Lord Jesus Christ, by

whom are all things) (1 Cor. 8:6).

"This is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the ONLY TRUE GOD, AND Jesus Christ,

whom Thou hast sent" (John 17:3).

Note well that this last quotation is Jesus Christ speaking; addressing God in prayer as the ONE

TRUE GOD, and speaking of himself as separate from that One True God) and sent by Him.

We have seen the deplorable condition of the "Church" in the 4th century. Paul records:

"For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all

might be damned that believe not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thess.

2:11).

In the light of this statement of Paul, would God permit such men as the church leaders of the 4th

century to understand His holy Truth? It is a fundamental scriptural principle that the natural man

cannot understand the things of God (1 Cor. 2:14).

When we see these emphatic scriptural declarations of the ONENESS of God, and the clear

distinction between this One Eternal God, and the man Jesus Christ, His Son, and then we look at the

metaphysical absurdities concocted out of platonic philosophy at this time, the only answer is that

God sent them a strong delusion.

The simple picture the Scriptures present to us of Jesus Christ is that:

He was born a babe (Luke 2:7).

He "increased in wisdom" (Luke 2:52).

He "learned obedience by the things that he suffered" (Heb. 5:8).

He was "in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin" (Heb. 4:15).

He "offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to

save him from death, and was heard in that he feared" (Heb. 5:7).

Try to honestly harmonize that with the trinitarian idea of omnipotent and omniscient co-equality

and co-eternity. It just does not fit and CANNOT fit. To make it fit we must break down all the meaning

of language. That is what trinitarians have done. Why should we try to make it fit? The Trinity is not

taught in the Bible. Why then not just accept the scriptural account and forget about the "Trinity"?

If we regard Jesus Christ as personally existing and possessing all power and wisdom, before his

scripturally recorded birth as a baby, then we simply deny the actual reality of his birth and his

"increasing in wisdom."

The Scriptures declare that God's understanding is infinite (Psa. 147:5). Is it not then a denial of

all the meaning of language to say that a co-equal constituent of this God "increased in wisdom," as

he grew up from a babe to manhood?

To say that a constituent part of an omnipotent coequal Trinity of Gods became a helpless babe is

an absurdity that the Scriptures do not require us to subscribe to. He could not be a helpless,

newborn babe and an all-powerful, all-knowing co- equal ruler of heaven and earth at the same time.

Is God separable from His power and wisdom? Are not infinite power and knowledge inseparable

elements of His very Godhead? (NOTE: "Godhead" is just an obsolete form of "Goodhood" - that is,

"divinity," the quality of being divine.)

We are asked to believe that God changed Himself into a powerless and ignorant, helpless

creature. What happened to His power and wisdom? DID He, or did He NOT, continue to possess His

eternal attributes? But why should we labor further with such unscriptural ideas?

* * *

There are many things that are recorded of Christ that just cannot be made fit with the idea that he

was an all-powerful) all- knowing God - a co-equal constituent of the "Godhead". It is recorded -

"Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, being 40 days tempted of the devil" (Luke 4:1- 2).

"He himself hath suffered being tempted" (Heb. 2:18).

"In all points tempted like as we are" (Heb. 4:15).

"Ye have continued with me in my temptations" (Luke 22:28).

James declared (and it is surely a self-evident fact) that (James 1:13) -

"God cannot be tempted."

It is impossible to conceive of an all-wise, all-powerful God being tempted to sin. God could not

possibly sin. Yet Jesus Christ was tempted in all points like ourselves, and if we say he could not

possibly have sinned, we deny the reality of his tempting and of his overcoming.

Jesus WAS tempted; God CANNOT be tempted: therefore the Trinity theory is false.

* * *

Let us carefully consider a few of the many statements of Scripture that show the "Trinity" theory

to be untrue.

"I can of mine own self do nothing. I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father Which

hath sent me" (John 5:30). This is Jesus speaking. It is perfectly understandable in the light of

the scriptural picture that Jesus was a man wholly dependent upon God. But how can it be

fitted into the Trinity picture? Let us not run from these clear testimonies, but reverently ponder

them, seeking guidance in truth.

"My Father is GREATER THAN I" (John 14:28).

* * *

If we believe the Bible, we cannot believe the man-made doctrine that Jesus was co-equal with

God. The whole record of the Gospels - the plain, literal record of the life and sayings of Christ is in

direct and continuous variance with this doctrine. How could the "co- equal" Trinity theory be more

directly denied than it is in these words of Jesus? Can black mean white?

Scores of statements could be given showing that Jesus was truly a man, truly fighting against sin,

truly overcoming; truly learning, truly praying to the ONE TRUE GOD Who was greater than he.

If he was an all-powerful God just PRETENDING to fight against temptation when really he could

not be tempted, just PRETENDING to pray to someone greater than himself for help and strength,

then we in effect accuse the whole Gospel record of being a deception and a cruel mockery of man's

real weakness, man's real and bitter struggle against sin.

How can he be held forth as our example and incentive to overcome temptation and the

weaknesses of the flesh - if all the time he was really an all- powerful and untemptable co-equal God?

* * *

Consider the following passages one by one. Honestly take full time to ponder them and compare

them with the suggestion of the Trinity that Jesus was actually and in reality an eternal, all-knowing,

all-powerful God, co- equal part of an omnipotent Trinity, who could not sin or be tempted.

The Trinity may have been a reasonable hypothesis for Plato in 400 B.C. He was groping in

darkness. He had no divine revelation as has been given to us in the Scriptures. We have the light of

Scripture. We do not need Plato's ignorant, pagan speculations, from which the Trinity doctrine was

admittedly formulated.

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, NEITHER

SON but THE FATHER" (Mark 13:32).

How could one omnipotent part of a co- equal Godhead not know something that another part

knew? How, in fact, could there be anything that an omniscient, co- equal God did not know?

* * *

"For since by man came death, by MAN came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam

all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

"But every MAN in his own order: CHRIST the first fruits, afterwards..." (1 Cor. 15:21).

The fact that Christ was a man is repeatedly emphasized as an essential fact in the plan of

salvation. The purpose required that a man - one of the fallen race - should truly overcome sin and

temptation, and render perfect obedience to the One True God -

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the OBEDIENCE of one

(one MAN, Jesus Christ, v. 15) shall many be made righteous" (Rom. 5:19).

It is neither scriptural or reasonable to speak of one omnipotent, co-equal God rendering

OBEDIENCE to another co-equal part of the same one almighty God. "Obedience" implies distinction,

and subjection of the obeyer to the obeyed.

Note well Jesus' answer when he was tempted -

"It is written, MAN shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the

mouth of GOD."

He applies this command of God to himself as a MAN who was responsible to, and owed

obedience to, the One True God. Note the even more striking answer to the 3rd temptation -

"It is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve."

Jesus applies this command to himself, as obligated to worship and serve the One True God

revealed to Israel. This is quoted from Deut. 8, just 2 chapters after the command -

"Hear; O Israel, the Lord our God is ONE LORD." Jesus Christ worshipped and served the

ONE TRUE GOD.

* * *

"Whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of Man, it SHALL be forgiven him: but

whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall NOT be forgiven him" (Matt. 12-32).

How then can it be said that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are co-equal, the glory equal; the

majesty co-eternal, none afore or after other, none greater or less than other?"

* * *

"Jesus said to him; Why callest thou ME good? There is none good but ONE, that is, God"

(Mark 10: 18).

Here Jesus plainly distinguishes between himself and the one God, affirming of God what could

not be affirmed of himself, inasmuch as he was of mortal, human, condemned, sinful flesh (though

perfectly sinless in life and character).

* * *

"To sit on my right hand is NOT MINE to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is

prepared of MY FATHER" (Matt. 20:23).

Again, a clear limitation of Christ's prerogative, and proof of his subjection to God. Co- equal parts

of "One God"? The Bible knows of no such contradiction.

* * *

"He prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless, not

as I will, but as Thou wilt" (Matt. 26:39).

If Jesus and his Father are really just co-equal parts of the same One God, then obviously such a

prayer could never be prayed. It is meaningless for the One God pray to Himself, and say "Not MY

will but THINE." If both are part of one God, then there is but one will.

Be sure your conception of Jesus and God is in harmony with what the Bible reveals. Do not be

satisfied with an "incomprehensible" theory, admittedly borrowed from "Greek metaphysics," that

crushes all the beauty and meaning out of the life of Jesus Christ, the faithful and obedient Son who

truly overcame and submitted to the will of the ONE TRUE GOD, His Father.

* * *

"Thinkest thou that I cannot now PRAY TO MY FATHER, and HE shall GIVE ME twelve legions

of angels?" (Matt. 26:53).

One omnipotent co-equal ruler of the universe speaking of praying to another part of the same

ruler for angels to help him? No, that is not the Bible picture, that's man's idea.

"The Son can do nothing of himself..." (John 5:19).

"The Father loveth the Son and showeth him all things He doeth (John 5:20).

"The Father hath committed all judgment to the Son..." (v. 22).

"The Father hath given the Son to have life in himself, and hath given him authority" (vs. 26, 27).

"I can of MINE OWN SELF DO NOTHING" (v. 30).

"I seek not mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me" (v. 30).

"The works the Father hath given me to finish bear witness the Father hath sent me" (v. 36).

One co-equal showing another all- powerful, all-knowing co-equal, giving him authority, sending

him, giving him work? One all- powerful God appealing to his works as a proof that another God had

sent him? Where is co-equal co-eternity if "the Father hath GIVEN the Son to have life in himself?"

It is unutterably sad that a meaningless jumble of words like the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity

should throw a metaphysical and philosophical mist over such a beautiful picture as the Scriptures

give of the life of our Elder Brother. Back to the simple truth of the Bible!

* * *

"Then cometh the end when he (Jesus shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the

Father...

"And when all things shall be subject unto him (Jesus), then shall THE SON ALSO BE

SUBJECT UNTO HIM THAT PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM, that God may be all in all" (1 Cor.

15:24-23).

The Son shall be subject to God, that God may be all in all. Jesus has been GIVEN "all power in

heaven and earth (Matt. 28:18) for the accomplishment of a purpose - that of bringing all things into

harmony with God. When that purpose is accomplished, he relinquishes all power to God, that God

may be all in all.

Trinitarianism cannot make head nor tail of this passage. As one eminent trinitarian commentator

confusedly admits, subjection and co-equality are utterly incompatible opposites. Must God be

subject to Himself, in order that He may be supreme over all?

The Scripture says -

"The head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the HEAD OF

CHRIST IS GOD" (1 Cor. ll:3).

The Trinity says -

"The glory co-equal, the majesty co-eternal, none afore or after other, none greater or less."

Which shall we take - the Scriptures or the Trinity? It is impossible to believe both.

* * *

"All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth" (Matt. 28:18).

This is Jesus speaking after resurrection and glorification. Could an eternal, all-powerful co- equal

part of the supreme Godhead say, "All power has been GIVEN to me?"

Who could give power to an almighty co-equal God who from eternity had possessed all power as

an essential part of his very divinity?

"The cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?" (John 18:11)

This was the cup which he prayed should pass from him, but submitted to because it was the will

of God.

* * *

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ; which GOD GAVE UNTO HIM to show unto his servants

things which must shortly come to pass" (Rev. 1:1).

One co-equal part of an all-knowing Godhead giving a revelation of the future to another part!

"Known unto God are all His works from the beginning" (Acts 15:18).

If Jesus Christ is a co-equal part of this God who has known all things from the beginning, how

can it be said he has been given a revelation by, another co- equal pert of the Godhead? How could

he say there were things he did not know (Mark 13:32)? How could he "increase in wisdom" (Luke

2:52)?

* * *

"The Lord hath said unto me, Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of Me and I

will give thee the heathen for thine inheritance." (Psa. 2:7).

One co-equal, co-eternal being "this day" begotten; asking another part of the same co- equal

Godhead being given the nations.

* * *

"Jesus cried with a loud voice, My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?" Mark 15:34)

The inertia of long habit, carried over from the dark ages, maintains the doctrine of the Trinity in

Christendom, like an incubus, and the scriptural picture is twisted and nullified to fit it. "God shall send

them strong delusion."

* * *

"The Lord God shall GIVE unto him the throne of his Father David" (Luke 1:32).

How could such language be used concerning an eternal, omnipotent part of the supreme head

and ruler of the universe? When will he be given the throne of his father David, and what does it

mean? How can he be given rulership, if he is from eternity the all powerful ruler of all?

* * *

"He that SENT me is true, and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of Him.

"I do nothing of myself, but AS MY FATHER HATH TAUGHT ME, I speak these things." (John

8:26:29).

"I have told you the truth which I have heard of God" (v. 40).

"If I honor myself, my honor is nothing: it is my Father that honoreth me" (v. 54).

"I know Him and keep His sayings" (v. 55).

If Jesus was co-equal part of the Supreme Godhead, why was his own honor nothing and God's

honoring him everything? Does a co-equal, co-eternal part of the Godhead need to be taught. Do not

the Scriptures reveal that God is "infinite in knowledge?"

* * *

"Jesus said, My meat is to do the will of Him that SENT me, and to finish His work" (John

4:34).

"My doctrine is NOT MINE, but His that SENT me" (7:16).

"I am not come of myself, but He that sent me is true" (John 7:28).

"If He called them gods unto whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be

broken), say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, Thou

blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?" (John 10:35).

As Jesus points out, the term "god" is occasionally used of men in Scripture to signify their

sanctification and relationship to God.

(See Psa. 82:6, "Ye are Gods, and all of ye are children of the Most High, but ye shall die like

men.")

The use of this term did not confuse them in any way with the ONE ETERNAL GOD, the Almighty

Creator, but it does show that the term "god," properly understood, is applied to such as are sanctified

by God.

* * *

"I have not spoken of myself, but the Father which sent me, He GAVE ME A COMMANDMENT

what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49).

The Trinity represents one co-equal part of the Godhead giving a commandment to another co-

equal part! A commandment proves authority of one part over another, but the Trinity says no part is

before, or greater than any other part.

* * *

I speak not of myself: But the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works" (John 14:10)

See how different this is from the trinitarian idea. The Bible never says, as trinitarians say, that

"God the Son" was in the man Jesus. The Scriptures always reveal the man Christ Jesus, born of

Mary, as the Son, through whom the Eternal Father worked and manifested Himself -

"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself" (2 Cor. 5:19).

The Scripture picture is so clear, the trinitarian picture so contradictory and confused. The

Scriptures plainly teach that it was the Holy Spirit-Power of God (not "God the Son") that came upon

Mary, and that this Spirit power of God caused the conception in Mary of him who should therefore be

called the Son of God (Luke 1:35).

"God was in Christ..." Compare John 17:21 -

"As Thou Father art in me, and I in Thee, that THEY also may be ONE IN US....I in them, and

Thou in me."

and John 15:4 -

"Abide in me, and I in you."

* * *

"He (God) shall send Jesus Christ" (Acts 3:20).

"For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you OF

YOUR BRETHREN" (v. 22).

Jesus was not a co-eternal part of an omnipotent Godhead, but a prophet raised up by God.

* * *

"Of this man's seed (David's) hath God raised up a savior, Jesus" (Acts 13:23).

"It became Him (God) in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation

perfect through suffering" (Heb. 2:10).

God made Jesus perfect through suffering. Does this fit the co- equal, co-eternal idea?

* * *

Such passages could be duplicated many many times over. All show that the doctrine of the

Trinity, developed in Platonic philosophy and Greek metaphysics, is completely out of joint with the

simple scriptural picture.

We must approach Scripture unspoiled by any preconceived theological notions inherited from

dark end pagan medievalism. We must get the basic-picture that Jesus Christ was truly a man who

was born by the operation of the Holy Spirit of God upon Mary, and who grew to manhood and

maturity, and increased in wisdom as he grew.

The whole efficacy of his mission depends upon its REALITY.

To say, to suit a theory, that he was a co-equal part of an all-powerful, eternal "Godhead" with

infinite knowledge and wisdom, and at the SAME TIME a striving, praying, learning, mortal man is to

take all meaning out of words.

Either he WAS all-powerful, inherently and eternally, or else he was NOT. To say he was both is to

juggle with words. Either he was immortal and could not die, or else he did die, and was therefore not

immortal. (The Scriptures say God is immortal - 1 Tim. 1:17). Immortal means incapable of death.

Jesus Christ died.

Either he was God and could not be tempted, or else he was tempted (as the Bible records) and

was therefore not God.

Either he was God and therefore could not possibly sin, or else he truly resisted and overcame

sin.

Either he was God, infinite in knowledge from all eternity, or else he increased in wisdom, learned

obedience, was-taught of God, and recognized that God knew things that he did not. Either he was

co-equal with God, or else his Father was, as he said) greater than he.

To say that in each case both of these alternatives are possible is to say that everything that is

directly contradictory to Scripture may be equally true with Scripture, and therefore the Scripture is

useless and meaningless. This is to lay down a principle whereby reason and meaning are cast aside

and the absurdest of contradictions are gravely viewed as possible, though perhaps admitted to be

"incomprehensible."

Anyone who studies the Word of God unspoiled by human philosophy will find that it is not cast in

such a mold as stultifies reason and glorifies contradiction.

• To sum up the scriptural testimony presented concerning Jesus Christ.

• He was conceived in Mary by the overshadowing of the Spirit-Power of God;

• After the normal period he was born a babe;

• Increased in wisdom as he grew to manhood;

• Continually prayed to God;

• Offered supplication (humble entreaty) to God;

• Was heard and saved from death in that he feared and was obedient;

• Was tempted in all points like his brethren;

• Overcame;

• Learned obedience;

• Was saved from death by strong crying and tears;

• Received the Revelation of the future from God;

• Did not know things God knew;

• Was promised the throne of David by God;

• Had no right to say who should sit at his right hand;

• Was sent by God;

• Was taught by God;

• Was shown things by God;

• Recognized his subjection to the commands to worship and serve God;

• Is several times clearly DISTINGUISHED FROM the ONE TRUE AND ONLY GOD.

• He is repeatedly described as a man;

• Was raised from the dead by God;

• Was glorified by God in answer to prayer;

• Was given power and authority by God;

• Was anointed by God with the Holy Spirit;

• Said God was greater than he;

• Said he of himself could do nothing;

• Said the doctrine, words and works were NOT HIS but God's;

• When addressed as "good" he distinguished between himself as a man of mortal flesh and

God Who alone is wholly good;

• He was appointed by God as heir of all things;

• He prayed to God that the cup might pass but he relinquished his own will and submitted to

God's;

• He was a prophet raised up by God from among his brethren;

• God is to judge the world by him;

• God is spoken of as the Head of Christ;

• He cried, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me;

• He was given commandments by God;

• He was made perfect through suffering;

• And he is finally to be subject to God and relinquish all power and authority back to Him that

God may be all in all.

This is the scriptural picture of Jesus.

"By MAN came death, by MAN came also the resurrection of the dead" (1 Cor. 15:21).

As the Epistle to the Hebrews shows, it was essential to God's purpose, and to establish His

justice, that life come through MAN - that a man should, strengthened and guided by God, render

perfect obedience, overcome and subdue the sin- nature which all the race possesses, and destroy it

by death.

A man who, having vindicated and fulfilled the law of sin and death passed upon the race through

the sentence of Adam, should be able to be justly exalted to eternal life, never having sinned -- never

once having served sin, whose wages are death.

In this process of obtaining eternal redemption for himself - (as the reflexive - middle - voice of the

verb "obtained" in Heb. 9:12 states. The "for us" is spurious and RV omits) - in this process he

opened up a God- appointed way of escape from the power of death for the condemned race of

which he was a member and the accepted representative.

God's righteousness being thus demonstrated and vindicated (by a perfect obedience followed by

the voluntary destruction and condemnation of the sin-nature in death), God is able justly to extend

mercy to all who humbly approach Him in the appointed way under the covering of Christ.

Such must voluntarily die to themselves and be born into Christ and henceforth live in Christ and

as part of Christ -

"I am crucified with Christ. Nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life

which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God" (Gal. 2:20).

Those that unite themselves with Christ become in God's sight part of him and are included in his

glorious victory over sin and death. This is the mercy of God.

The doctrine of the Trinity : 3 co-equal, co-eternal Gods -- contrary to Scripture and borrowed from

the heathen Plato who knew nothing of God's revealed Truth -- completely destroys the beautiful,

harmonious, righteous plan of salvation through a REAL man learning obedience and TRULY

overcoming temptation.

Like a steamroller, the doctrine of the Trinity crushes all the meaning out of the picture the Bible

gives us of the relationship between the Eternal, Almighty Father and the dependent, obedient Son -

the latter glorified and exalted by the former because of his faith, obedience, submission, humility and

real genuine victory over sin and weakness.

"He humbled himself, and became OBEDIENT unto death, even the death of the cross,

WHEREFORE God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every

name" (Phil. 2:8-9).

This is OUR Christ, the REAL Christ, our brother, our example, our inspiration and incentive.

No matter how you wrestle with the doctrine of the Trinity, it cannot give you anything but an all-

powerful, all-knowing, immortal, untemptable God going through the pantomime of pretending to

grow, pretending to learn, pretending to overcome weakness, pretending to struggle with temptation,

pretending to pray for help, pretending to receive strength through angels from a part of himself,

pretending to receive commands and instruction (from himself), pretending to obey and submit his will

to a co-equal part of himself.

To get around this, and to make Platonic philosophy fit Scripture, trinitarians talk of his "divinity"

knowing something at the same time that his "humanity" did not know it; of his "divinity" being all-wise

at the same time his "humanity" was learning; of his "divinity" being all-powerful at the same time his

"humanity" was struggling against weakness.

Those who base their faith on the Bible, and with whom the speculations of Greek metaphysics

carry no weight, will not temporize with such issue-begging absurdities. Jesus Christ was not two

utterly contradictory persons. It was Jesus Christ himself who did and went through all the things

recorded in the Bible.

Get your beliefs from the Bible. You will never find the Trinity in it, or anything like it. It is a product

of an age of worldly wisdom and spiritual barrenness, as has been so clearly proven, right out of the

mouths of trinitarians.

It is a product of the apostate Church of Rome and all who adopt it from Rome identify themselves

with that ungodly system -

"Come out of her, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues"

(Rev. 18:4).

http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/Contents/doctrine/The%20Origin%20of%20the%20Trinity.htm

 

 

Holy cow, Cassandra!  That's just way too much to read.

Here's my 2cents...

When Christ was baptized Heavenly Father's voice came out of the Heavens saying--
King James Bible
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

THEN

The holy spirit decended in the form of a dove.
King James Bible
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

1 statment and 2 questions for ya Cassandra...

That scripture clearly shows 3 separate beings!!!

And now my question--
Was Christ a vintriloquist?!?  Why on earth would he throw his voice and tell himself that he was pleased with himself?!?

This makes no sense. God, Christ and the HG are ONE in spirit.  Not one in physical form.
The word trinity means 3 not 1.

Do you still believe in Santa Clause?

Now, now, EHarold, this is the "religion" area of this site: You shouldn't rain on the true believers' parade.

FATHER, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME.  TALKING TO HIMSELF?

There is only one God. He is made up of three distinct persons. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. We believe this because God gives us the ability to have faith. This cannot be understood by our earthly minds. We believe what we cannot see or understand by faith. It is useless to argue about it. You either believe or you don't. Ask God to reveal the truth to you.

You know what,  , the BIBLE clearly says that God is the three in one. The person who wrote this is wrong.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia, of all things, says the following: "The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and it's profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century." (That's nearly 500 years AFTER Jesus died.) "Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching  such a mentality or perspective....The majority of the New Testament texts reveal God's spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God."

As to the time of the End Jesus told his followers " Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father." Why would only one of the three have this knowledge? Mark 13:32

Colossians 1:15 says Jesus " is in the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation"...indicating he was CREATED!!!!!

Can anyone tell me why Jesus prayed to God?????? ("Why have you forsaken me?")Pretty pointless if he is God!!!

 

  This is all wrong what are you talking about.

Cassandra:

I have noticed, many of you like to read what is in the Religion Forum... So, I offer this....

GOD IS ONE, NOT THREE   Written By-- Anthony Buzzard--Atlanta Bible College

taken from http://www.mindspring.com/~anthonybuzzard/articles.htm

According to Jesus...

According to Jesus, God is strictly one Person, not three. Christians who value Jesus as the

supreme revealer of truth should consider his classic words, uttered in a final prayer. "You,

Father, are the only one who is truly God" (John 17:3). He defined salvation as belief in that One

and only true God, and in himself as the Messiah (John 17:3).

It is a serious hijacking of the words of Jesus if one adds to Jesus' creed. For Jesus, his Father is

"the one who alone is truly God, the only one who is truly God, the one true God" (see also John

5:44 and Mark 12:29).

Those utterances are more than clear. They are without a hint of ambiguity. Yet they have been

abandoned by the church bearing the name of Jesus. The church has for centuries, since postbiblical

times, defined God as three Persons. Jesus defined God as one Person, the Father. There

is a very great difference. That difference calls for extensive rethinking and reform. We cannot

risk fragmenting God. Jesus believed and taught strict unitary monotheism. He had never heard

of the Trinity - or if he had he rejected it. So should his followers.

Centuries later, after church councils had invented iron-clad creeds and imposed them on the

faithful, Augustine came face to face with Jesus' definition of God as the "only one who is truly

God." What was he to do? The church by then had lost Jesus' creed. It propagated everywhere

belief that God was three Persons. That innocent sentence in John 17:3 stated that God was a

single Person, not three Persons. Here is Augustine's "solution." He wrote: "The proper order of

the words is 'that they may know You and Jesus Christ, the only true God'" (Homilies on John).

One can have the words of Jesus on this great issue, or the words of the post-biblical creeds. It is

hard to see how one can have both at the same time. Following Jesus means believing his

teachings. Jesus' teaching about how many Persons are the One God is really not difficult: "You,

Father, are the only true God." Jesus is the Lord Messiah (Luke 2:11; Ps. 110:1), the Son of God

(Matt. 16:16), but not the One True God. The word "one" should be clear to all.

If anyone has any question about this, let him consult the thousands upon thousands of singular

personal pronouns used for God in the Bible. "I," "Me," "Mine," "Myself," "Thee," "Thy,"

"Thine," "Thyself," "He," "Him," "His," "Himself." All these words, as well as God's proper

name Yahweh followed by singular verbs (6700 times), ought to convince the open-minded that

God is one Person, not more. And monotheism - belief that God is one - is, according to Jesus, of

critical importance (Mark 12:29).

Jesus, the Son of God, is the perfect human reflection of the One God, his Father. But he is not

God. He is the sinless second Adam and the "prophet to be raised up from the house of Israel"

(Deut. 18:15-18). Created and begotten in the womb of his mother under the power of God's

spirit, he is designated "Son of God" (Luke 1:35). The idea that he is "eternally begotten" not

only has no recognizable meaning in language, but it is false to Scripture. "Eternal generation"

contradicts the important biblical fact that the Son of God was begotten "today," not in eternity

(Ps. 2:7; cp. Acts 13:33, referring in the latter text to the birth of Jesus.

What is your problem, you don't know what you are talking about.